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	<title>Comments on: Week in Review &#8212; Cultural Power, Galileo, Naivete</title>
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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
		<link>http://blog.emergingscholars.org/2009/06/week-in-review-cultural-power-galileo-naivete/comment-page-1/#comment-1285</link>
		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted, thanks very much for your helpful comments! I&#039;ll probably be using some of Harrison&#039;s work in the dissertation chapter I&#039;m working on at the moment, so it&#039;s great to hear more about him from the history of science point of view. 

Hannah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, thanks very much for your helpful comments! I&#8217;ll probably be using some of Harrison&#8217;s work in the dissertation chapter I&#8217;m working on at the moment, so it&#8217;s great to hear more about him from the history of science point of view. </p>
<p>Hannah</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Snoke</title>
		<link>http://blog.emergingscholars.org/2009/06/week-in-review-cultural-power-galileo-naivete/comment-page-1/#comment-1260</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Snoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My previous comment was in regard to Harrison&#039;s book.

In regard to Crouch&#039;s concept of power, I have another comment: Christians seem to be afraid of &quot;strategy&quot;. Does using strategy perhaps feel too much like lacking trust in God? Other groups have had well defined media strategies, infiltration strategies, etc. (Think of fundamentalist Muslims, communists, environmentalists, gay rights, etc.) Missions agencies use it all the time overseas. But many Christians I know react against it here in the US, when used by Christians. Is using strategy itself a lack of faith, a hungering for power? Or are we simply reacting to past strategies that have failed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My previous comment was in regard to Harrison&#8217;s book.</p>
<p>In regard to Crouch&#8217;s concept of power, I have another comment: Christians seem to be afraid of &#8220;strategy&#8221;. Does using strategy perhaps feel too much like lacking trust in God? Other groups have had well defined media strategies, infiltration strategies, etc. (Think of fundamentalist Muslims, communists, environmentalists, gay rights, etc.) Missions agencies use it all the time overseas. But many Christians I know react against it here in the US, when used by Christians. Is using strategy itself a lack of faith, a hungering for power? Or are we simply reacting to past strategies that have failed?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Snoke</title>
		<link>http://blog.emergingscholars.org/2009/06/week-in-review-cultural-power-galileo-naivete/comment-page-1/#comment-1259</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Snoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t finished working my way through this book, but it is definitely one of the most fascinating reads for me in the past few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t finished working my way through this book, but it is definitely one of the most fascinating reads for me in the past few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Week in Review at The Emerging Scholars Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.emergingscholars.org/2009/06/week-in-review-cultural-power-galileo-naivete/comment-page-1/#comment-1230</link>
		<dc:creator>Week in Review at The Emerging Scholars Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Rise of Natural Science, which Ted Davis also recommended (though be sure to read Ted&#8217;s comments about the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Rise of Natural Science, which Ted Davis also recommended (though be sure to read Ted&#8217;s comments about the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Davis</title>
		<link>http://blog.emergingscholars.org/2009/06/week-in-review-cultural-power-galileo-naivete/comment-page-1/#comment-1183</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hannah,

Peter Harrison is a very fine scholar, one of the best working today on the history of Christianity and science.  All of his books and essays are worth reading, and in general I agree with most of his claims.

The one major claim he has made that I dissent from, which he has advanced in several places but esp in his recent book on the fall and in an essay in the journal &quot;History of Science&quot; in 2002, is as follows.  Harrison gives little support to the view that &quot;voluntarist&quot; theology (which stresses God&#039;s freedom to do anything short of a logical contradiction, in contrast to a &quot;rationalist&quot; theology that stresses the degree to which God&#039;s activities conform to reason) was very influential in shaping early modern science.  I do not agree with that view; my dissertation argued for that view a quarter century ago, and a lot of other scholars before and since have also supported it.  Most recently, John Henry (Edinburgh) has replied at length in &quot;History of Science,&quot; and in this case he speaks for me as well as for himself -- quite literally, insofar as he discussed his essay extensively with me as it was in process.  

Since then, Harrison has responded to Henry in the same journal.  

As I say, my disagreement with Harrison is pretty much limited to this particular issue, a very important one to be sure but not one that negates the value of his work on this or any other matter.  I strongly recommend that you read more of Peter&#039;s work; I do think that historians will still be reading it 50 years from now.

Ted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hannah,</p>
<p>Peter Harrison is a very fine scholar, one of the best working today on the history of Christianity and science.  All of his books and essays are worth reading, and in general I agree with most of his claims.</p>
<p>The one major claim he has made that I dissent from, which he has advanced in several places but esp in his recent book on the fall and in an essay in the journal &#8220;History of Science&#8221; in 2002, is as follows.  Harrison gives little support to the view that &#8220;voluntarist&#8221; theology (which stresses God&#8217;s freedom to do anything short of a logical contradiction, in contrast to a &#8220;rationalist&#8221; theology that stresses the degree to which God&#8217;s activities conform to reason) was very influential in shaping early modern science.  I do not agree with that view; my dissertation argued for that view a quarter century ago, and a lot of other scholars before and since have also supported it.  Most recently, John Henry (Edinburgh) has replied at length in &#8220;History of Science,&#8221; and in this case he speaks for me as well as for himself &#8212; quite literally, insofar as he discussed his essay extensively with me as it was in process.  </p>
<p>Since then, Harrison has responded to Henry in the same journal.  </p>
<p>As I say, my disagreement with Harrison is pretty much limited to this particular issue, a very important one to be sure but not one that negates the value of his work on this or any other matter.  I strongly recommend that you read more of Peter&#8217;s work; I do think that historians will still be reading it 50 years from now.</p>
<p>Ted</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In relation to religion and science, I&#039;d be interested in hearing what people think of Peter Harrison&#039;s The Bible, Protestantism, and the Rise of Natural Science. It&#039;s about 16th and 17th century natural philosophy, and argues that a shift in reading the Book of Scripture was the catalyst for a shift in reading the Book of Nature. Basically, Harrison suggests that medieval writers read the Bible as an allegorical system and that this reading of the Bible carried over into interpretations of nature, so that nature was also seen chiefly as an allegorical system of meaning. For instance, the pelican might be seen mainly as a symbol for Christ in a medieval bestiary, rather than an opportunity for observation and experiment.

Harrison argues that when Protestants began to push for more literal readings of Scripture, the old system of reading nature as allegorical began to seem less plausible, and that factor was one thing that drove a movement towards understanding nature through experimental science.    I thought it was a fascinating read, but I&#039;m in English, so I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ve learned enough about history of science to have any useful opinions. :)

Hannah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In relation to religion and science, I&#8217;d be interested in hearing what people think of Peter Harrison&#8217;s The Bible, Protestantism, and the Rise of Natural Science. It&#8217;s about 16th and 17th century natural philosophy, and argues that a shift in reading the Book of Scripture was the catalyst for a shift in reading the Book of Nature. Basically, Harrison suggests that medieval writers read the Bible as an allegorical system and that this reading of the Bible carried over into interpretations of nature, so that nature was also seen chiefly as an allegorical system of meaning. For instance, the pelican might be seen mainly as a symbol for Christ in a medieval bestiary, rather than an opportunity for observation and experiment.</p>
<p>Harrison argues that when Protestants began to push for more literal readings of Scripture, the old system of reading nature as allegorical began to seem less plausible, and that factor was one thing that drove a movement towards understanding nature through experimental science.    I thought it was a fascinating read, but I&#8217;m in English, so I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve learned enough about history of science to have any useful opinions. :)</p>
<p>Hannah</p>
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